Nature does not deal in closed boxes. Everything in nature is on a bell curve, some forms cannot be put into closed boxes (liminal beings) e.g. the platypusWe all contain multitudes; just because Margaret is a woman and a writer, it doesn’t mean that’s the end of the story.People label other people, and then they attack the label. You can put a general heading over anything; people can share many similarities, but in the end, no one is exactly like you.When you get attached to labels, they become an important facet of your identity. Living in a multiple democracy calls for going beyond labels

Resisting “Closed Boxes”

You don’t know when something may strike you and that’s why poets are so annoying to people who are not poets

“Practical Utopias” is on DISCO (an interactive live learning platform)With DISCO, you have the tools to do your own live learning experience.“Practical Utopias” is a problem-solving enterprise<ul><li>Practical world-building: What to eat? What to wear? What houses will we live in? </li><li>“Did you know you can make bricks out of mushrooms? </li><li>“Would you like to have a mushroom coffin?”</li><li>“Do you know you can 3D print houses out of compressed earth in two days?” </li></ul>“Practical Utopias” is bringing all of these ideas together, with an aim for a cheap, scalable, green solution.

Making a LEGO Village (Practical World-Building)

Margaret Atwood is 82 years young. Is longevity determined by genetics? Margaret’s mom lived to 97.Curiosity is a big factor; her parents were always curious. She is curious about new technologies. She is also a big fan of astrology, she reads palms and does horoscopes.She got into it while studying English literature (she was a Victorianist). Astrology was an integral part of the Renaissance worldview (many astrological symbols in arts and literature)

What Keeps Her Going?

I always want to know what’s the upside, what’s the downside, cost-benefit, but also what are people using this for?

Reading dystopian fiction, we know we’re capable of really awful things, we’re also capable of really pretty wonderful things. And we’re smart and inventive

When Margaret started writing, it was open season for herNobody was there to tell her what to do; there were no writing schools. She wrote both poetry and proseNovels are 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration. Writing novels is work, you have to put in the hoursFor poetry, it’s the opposite poets get caught in the moment of inspiration. Poetry is more likely written on the fly. Poetry comes from the part that is linked to the patterning of music and mathematics.Novels come from the part that is associated with narrative and telling stories. Epic poetry is similar to novels, unlike lyric poetry.

How Are Poetry and Prose Different?

Margaret was always an avid reader and she read a lot as a teenager in the 50s. What you read as a teenager has the biggest influence when you start writingShe wanted to write something like 1984, but with women, It’s all about the people you are drawn to and the skills you have at the moment.Growing up in a cabin in the woods, When it rained, she read. There was nothing to do when it was raining, except reading, writing, and drawingThere was a strong focus on family narrative in their household; they told stories of their shared past and extended family. Her first novel was about an ant.

What Makes Margaret Good at Speculative Fiction?

Hope is built on a very fundamental levelHow to find hope in the face of the climate crisis?. The climate crisis is real, but we are inventing a lot of new things. We are looking at the problem, and coming up with answers. The 19th century was a century of utopias: “They wrote a lot of them because they had made so many improvements already in the 19th century, that they thought, ‘This is just going to go on, and it’s going to get better and better and better.'Why don’t we write more about utopias?People are writing dystopias; why not imagine a better world instead?

A Connoisseur of Dystopian Speculative Fiction

Margaret Atwood — A Living Legend on Creative Process, The Handmaid’s Tale, Being a Mercenary Child, Resisting Labels, the Poet Rug Exchange, Liminal Beings, Burning Questions, Practical Utopias, and More | Brought to you by 80,000 Hours free career advice for high impact and doing good in the world, Eight Sleep’s Pod Pro Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating, and LinkedIn Jobs recruitment platform with 770M+ users More on all three below.Margaret Atwood (@margaretatwood) is the author of more than 50 books of fiction, poetry, critical essays, and graphic novels. Dearly, her first collection of poetry in over a decade, was published November 2020. Her latest novel, The Testaments, is a co-winner of the 2019 Booker Prize. It is the long-awaited sequel to The Handmaid’s Tale, now an award-winning TV series. Her other works of fiction include Cat’s Eye, finalist for the 1989 Booker Prize; Alias Grace, which won the Giller Prize in Canada and the Premio Mondello in Italy; The Blind Assassin, winner of the 2000 Booker Prize; the MaddAddam Trilogy; and Hag-Seed: William Shakespeare’s The Tempest Retold.Margaret’s work has been published in more than 45 countries, and she is the recipient of numerous awards, including the Peace Prize of the German Book Trade, the Franz Kafka International Literary Prize, the PEN Center USA Lifetime Achievement Award, and the Los Angeles Times Book Prize Innovator’s Award.Burning Questions, a collection of essays from 2004–2021 will be published in March of this year. Practical Utopias: An Exploration of the Possible, an eight-week live online learning experience, will run later this year.Please enjoy!This episode is brought to you by 80,000 Hours! You have roughly 80,000 hours in your career. That’s 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year for 40 years. 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Brought to you by 80,000 Hours free career advice for high impact and doing good in the world, Eight Sleep’s Pod Pro Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating, and LinkedIn Jobs recruitment platform with 770M+ users More on all three below.Margaret Atwood (@margaretatwood) is the author of more than 50 books of fiction, poetry, critical essays, and graphic novels. Dearly, her first collection of poetry in over a decade, was published November 2020. Her latest novel, The Testaments, is a co-winner of the 2019 Booker Prize. It is the long-awaited sequel to The Handmaid’s Tale, now an award-winning TV series. Her other works of fiction include Cat’s Eye, finalist for the 1989 Booker Prize; Alias Grace, which won the Giller Prize in Canada and the Premio Mondello in Italy; The Blind Assassin, winner of the 2000 Booker Prize; the MaddAddam Trilogy; and Hag-Seed: William Shakespeare’s The Tempest Retold.Margaret’s work has been published in more than 45 countries, and she is the recipient of numerous awards, including the Peace Prize of the German Book Trade, the Franz Kafka International Literary Prize, the PEN Center USA Lifetime Achievement Award, and the Los Angeles Times Book Prize Innovator’s Award.Burning Questions, a collection of essays from 2004–2021 will be published in March of this year. Practical Utopias: An Exploration of the Possible, an eight-week live online learning experience, will run later this year.Please enjoy!This episode is brought to you by 80,000 Hours! You have roughly 80,000 hours in your career. That’s 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year for 40 years. They add up and are one of your biggest opportunities, if not the biggest opportunity, to make a positive impact on the world. Some of the best strategies, best research, and best tactical advice I’ve seen and heard come from 80,000 Hours, a nonprofit co-founded by Will MacAskill, an Oxford philosopher and a popular past guest on this podcast.If you’re looking to make a big change to your direction, address pressing global problems from your current job, or if you’re just starting out or maybe starting a new chapter and not sure which path to pursue, 80,000 Hours can help. Join their free newsletter, and they’ll send you an in-depth guide for free that will help you identify which global problems are most pressing and where you can have the biggest impact personally. It will also help you get new ideas for high-impact careers or directions that help tackle these issues.*This episode is also brought to you by Eight Sleep! Eight Sleep’s Pod Pro Cover is the easiest and fastest way to sleep at the perfect temperature. It pairs dynamic cooling and heating with biometric tracking to offer the most advanced (and user-friendly) solution on the market. Simply add the Pod Pro Cover to your current mattress and start sleeping as cool as 55°F or as hot as 110°F. It also splits your bed in half, so your partner can choose a totally different temperature.And now, my dear listeners—that’s you—can get $250 off the Pod Pro Cover. Simply go to EightSleep.com/Tim or use code TIM at checkout. *This episode is also brought to you by LinkedIn Jobs. Whether you are looking to hire now for a critical role or thinking about needs that you may have in the future, LinkedIn Jobs can help. LinkedIn screens candidates for the hard and soft skills you’re looking for and puts your job in front of candidates looking for job opportunities that match what you have to offer.Using LinkedIn’s active community of more than 770 million professionals worldwide, LinkedIn Jobs can help you find and hire the right person faster. When your business is ready to make that next hire, find the right person with LinkedIn Jobs. And now, you can post a job for free. Just visit LinkedIn.com/Tim.*When jumping into a new writing project, does Margaret know if it’s going to be expressed as poetry or prose? From her perspective, is there a difference in where they originate? How do these two sometimes act in synergy? [07:59]How does Margaret maintain her vital life energy at 82 years young? [16:55]In what way does astrology — particularly Gemini rising — explain Margaret’s tendency to “stick [her] nose into things?” [18:45]The Gift vs. Trickster Makes This World. [24:24]What drives Margaret’s ability to craft engaging speculative fiction? [26:51]What are the downsides of raising a family in the woods, blissfully isolated from the world? Margaret shares a glimpse into her own childhood. [33:07]How crossing a football field in a pink princess line dress nudged Margaret toward writing poetry for the first time. [38:03]How the limited number of career options from which a young woman was expected to choose guided Margaret toward her current profession — and how long it took to start paying off. [44:17]What benefit did Margaret get from writing during the time before being paid to do so? [49:44]As someone who’s often found herself in the teaching profession, what type of teaching has Margaret enjoyed most? [52:59]Why Margaret considers The Future of Life by Edward O. Wilson to be required reading for young adults. [55:28]Why Margaret resists the act of labeling that humans tend toward. [58:24]What explains Margaret’s ongoing interest in dystopian — as well as utopian — literature, and what can people expect from “Practical Utopias: An Exploration of the Possible,” her eight-week online learning experience? [1:02:58]Comparing and contrasting major revolutions and political upheavals of recent centuries, and what Margaret learned by visiting Eastern Bloc countries during the Cold War. [1:08:31]How is the DISCO online learning platform that will host “Practical Utopias: An Exploration of the Possible” different from other such platforms, and what kind of problems will participants be solving? [1:12:01]What readers can expect from Burning Questions. [1:14:42]How has Margaret’s writing process changed over the course of her life? What does it look like these days? [1:19:24]A tangent about shows we binge when our writing quotas for the day are fulfilled, an H.G. Wells story about perspective, and a Twilight Zone episode that (surprise!) doesn’t end well for its protagonist. [1:22:04]Tezos NFTs, illustrated utopias, and inventions fitting unexpected functions. [1:24:22]A spoiler alert for anyone who hasn’t yet read The Testaments and doesn’t want to know what happens to a character from The Handmaid’s Tale: skip ahead to the next timestamp! [1:31:48]Does Margaret do research for her characters? [1:33:27]Margaret turns the tables and asks me what prompted my podcasting endeavors. [1:35:36]Dictation apps, the three Henry Jameses, and confessional stenographers. [1:37:48]Undertaking winter adventures at high elevations and other parting thoughts. 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