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SEO is not for every company. And even for those for which SEO may be a good acquisition channel, timing is key. 2 things to consider:
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SEO work can take 3 directions:
Ethan considers editorial as the best performing intervention. Although programatic may make sense in certain industries. Ebay product pages would out-perform any editorial content as people are actually looking for stuff to buy.
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In the past an SEO page was created to target specific keywords. Those don't rank as well. Think of your pages in terms of topics, covering a wide range of keywords.
A good topic page should rank for 250-2,000 keywords.
Ex 1: It's better to have a "best cameras" page than 1000 for "best digital camera", "best budget camera", "camera reviews best of"
Ex 2: Masterclass made a comprehensive page for lettuce that ranked for 250 lettuce-related keywords. It beat the FoodNetwork.
The way to find the cluster keywords is by looking at the current winners. Consider traffic volume and topic conversion.
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The Google algorithm is super complex these days. Links are only a small part. One can think of Google moving from link ranking to topic ranking, aka "What are known for?"
So Google is looking for website who are disproportionately well-known for some themes: Does your site say chicken recipes? How much brand search there is? What are most shared pages? etc. Google will share the authority on all adjacent terms.
Ex: Ethan had a cooking website get viral with a post about jeloshoots & there was an uptake in visits for alcohol related pages, even with no direct links from the jelo post.
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Ethan relies on a few tools:
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Basic advice is that any SEO strategy will take from 6m to 1yr to see some results. But it all depends on domain authority (Netflix will see changes in days, a Masterclass in weeks)
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It's common to incorrectly conclude failure: "We tried this, it didn't work ... so it will never work."
What is also common is for the first SEO tries to not be implemented correctly. Most of the time the website does not have the right authority or there was a problem in execution.
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What does a dedicated SEO specialist do?
Most value per time invested comes from analysis of other people websites and rapid iteration on development. Brainstorming may be a waste of time.
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Work on a few articles or topic pages per month. 25 is a good high number. In 3 months you should see some early indicators of performance and scale if it's working.
Don't go from 0 to 1000 pages per month as you will do it wrong and not learn anything.
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... it's because of a few reason:
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The more links a page gets the better. A good page should have between 5 to 10 pages linking to it. Usually pages are linked using artefacts as:
However most of these will not ensure a good spread. Google is also entering your site from many links. This means a hierarchical site structure is less effective than a flat one.
Focus on body links not in the footer or navigation.
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Ethan is mostly against tools like GPT-3 being used to generate content. While the text may be grammatically correct, there might be lost of slips.
AI is good to generate content on top of a structured content. This means the AI serves more like an assistant to a page designed based on facts and objectives, rather than flipping the dice and coming up with some nice sounding BS.
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Learned so much from this conversation between Ethan Smith and Lenny on modern SEO.
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